Unlocking Emotional Resilience in Fertility: Mindset, Triggers & Conscious Co-Creation

 Hey, it's Dr. Amatma, host of Egg Meets Sperm, and this is the best podcast to get all of the vital information that you need to support your fertility journey holistically for you and your partner, because fertility takes two.

Hello and welcome. I'm your host, Dr. Amatma, and I want to introduce you today to Raj Janna. He is one of My favorite people ever, and you will find out very quickly why that is. He is a former reservoir engineer, 40 under 40 entrepreneur and media host. He is passionate about building businesses and spreading messages that shift consciousness on the planet.

He's currently the CEO of Liberate, a human transformation company that helps people track and resolve the root emotional causes contributing to health and relationship challenges. Their technology and emotional health programs are designed to help people develop more emotional resilience and awareness, healthier coping strategies for stress, and address the root causes of their emotions.

Today, you're going to hear me talk to him a lot about what couples can do in relationship because often fertility brings up so many challenges interpersonally, and often there are a lot of triggers that come to the surface that become problematic when Couples are struggling with fertility. So as we go through this conversation, you'll really find he'll share some amazing, simple tools that you can put into your own life that really you can start doing today.

You don't have to wait, and it's going to make a significant difference on your fertility outcome. If you have the ability to support your emotional And stress resilience better. So join me for this awesome conversation. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. And I'll talk to you soon. Welcome Raj. It's so great to have you today.

And I'm very excited to dive into emotions, mindset, and all the things that are happening under the surface that we're often ignoring or trying to. Override when we're on the fertility journey. So welcome. Yeah. It's so good to see you. Good to see you. Um, so let's, let's start with like mindset, emotions, like in your perspective, what do they have to do with fertility, health, overall, um, well being and how we're walking through the world?

Yeah, so, you know, I like to think of, and this is my belief and beliefs that my team shares, and what I've seen across the board is that like, your body knows how to heal, like when you get a paper cut, you don't really have to do anything for the body to heal, like it naturally heals itself, and I, and I do believe that we as Bodies as vessels were constantly actually wanting to get better and wanting to heal.

And I also know that underneath the hood, there are programs and beliefs and traumas and aspects of ourselves that are sort of stopping the body from doing what it naturally does well. And so when we think about emotions, we don't really think about shame as a toxin, anger as a toxin. We don't really think about these limiting beliefs that I don't matter, or I'm not worthy of love or having a family or these, these programs that are running in our background.

We don't really count that as like, Oh, this is creating this problem in front of me right now. But. What we've seen is that when your body is in this state of either survival and it's in a state of fight or flight, when you're not, when you're, when you're constantly worried about what's going to happen next, when you're constantly worrying about something not happening, you're literally creating the environment that makes it hard for your body to do.

What it actually wants to do, which is to create, which is to get better, which is to have that vitality and that energy to do the things that we want to do in the world. And so by ignoring this very fundamental aspect of health. You're actually preventing the body from just doing the amazing things that it actually can and has always been able to do.

Yeah. Yeah. And you said a crucial thing there, which is your body wants to create. And I often say this to fertility patients, especially because fertility is creation at the core of it, right? Like we're creating new life. There's nothing greater that we can create in our lives in so many ways. Yeah. We can create businesses and all of that.

And it was great. But like that, that like fundamental creation mode is hardwired into our body's DNA. Yeah, I mean, like, it's literally what our body like we're put here to create. Like, like pass on the genes, because if we didn't, then we'd be wiped out as a species. Right. Yeah. And, and like, in reality, that's exactly what's happening, right?

So we're seeing massive rises in fertility. 14 years ago, when I started specializing, Fertility rates were one in eight couples between 18 and 35. The current stats are somewhere between one in five to one in six. Um, so it's drastically went up in 20 years. We're likely to see most men not have any sperm, like no viable sperm, which is.

20 years is just around the corner. Um, so we are seeing that there's this, this shift that's slowly happening. I feel like it's going a little bit under the radar because it's like, it's not in the media. It's not in the buzz. It's not. Like people aren't focused on it till it's their issue, right? Like no one ever thinks, Hey, let me prepare my body so that I don't have fertility issues.

Um, but when it becomes an issue or when it's not happening, then people go into freak out mode. And, um, it's, it's, it's very interesting because when we come from this place of, we are put here to. create and it's what our bodies know to do. Then similar to what you said, like, if it's not happening, there's a reason that it's not happening.

Um, so from the like emotional, deeper, like, Trauma mindset, like, what are the things that you see kind of standing in the way when creation isn't, is not happening the way that our bodies have designed? Yeah, well, so I think there's a lot of beliefs that are either programmed by ourselves, or that we learned in childhood.

Beliefs are the way we see the world and the way we think. The world exists, right? So if we see everyone else around us getting pregnant, but we're not triggers a belief that maybe i'm not enough Maybe my body isn't capable of doing this and if that's actually what you believe The mind body link your body is going to respond in accordance with what you believe and that's ultimately what we're seeing You know the biology belief by bruce lipton like These are all documented.

There's a lot smarter people than me that have created oodles of research that supports this idea that when our minds actually are not in alignment with what we want, unconsciously or consciously, we create the environments. That are that we're stuck in. So, like, if you constantly think that there's something wrong with you, that's just creating more noise, more stress, right?

You just like nailed every limiting belief that most women on the fertility struggle have. Which is, I'm not good enough, something's wrong with me, I'm not capable of doing this, and I'm, like, literally, like, something is wrong if I don't get pregnant right away. Right? So I think that the early belief systems that we inherit are like, oh, fertility should never be an issue, I'm gonna get pregnant right away.

Matter of fact, if I don't prevent pregnancy, it's gonna happen when I don't want it to happen. Yeah. And then you go from that your whole life to now instantly you want to get pregnant and your body's like, wait, what? Like, I've been trying to avoid this for 30 years, 40 years, whatever amount of time. So that shift is hard.

But then when it doesn't happen instantly, it's also just as hard to not feel like, Oh my God, something's wrong with me. Or, Oh my God, like, I'm never going to have this thing that I really want. Well, I think there's like, you know, there's those systemic beliefs that you mentioned that we grow up around the fairy tale, right?

Around how it's supposed to be. And then when it doesn't measure up to that fairy tale, we internalize it to be our fault, our problem. What I often tell individuals or advise is instead of internalizing it, what if you paused and challenged the other belief instead, right? Like, instead of it being like, Hey, there's something wrong with me.

It's like, Oh, what if this statistic is actually BS, right? And start looking for reasons. I mean, there's so many amazing doctors like yourself that actually speak to this, that, Hey, look, like just because you were not getting pregnant the first time does not mean that you cannot get pregnant. Right and so surrounding yourself with more energy like that to shift the systemic beliefs, but then on the other side of that Also doing the work to shift the way the the faith that you have in your body to create and you know And that's the process of doing the work.

That's the process That's that's the the deeper work that you get to do but in in our eyes I mean, we do a lot of work with different types of health communities autoimmune cancer You name it and what we've seen in our health communities is when you shift these beliefs about yourself Body responds positively like blood panels get better cortisol numbers reduce I mean you we've seen these improvements and and so now it's not just lip service You know, there's, and there's so much research on the importance of actually shifting the mind to be in alignment with you and the impact that makes on health.

I think fertility is the exact same in a lot of ways. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I feel like you got to those belief systems pretty quickly. And those are like, I feel like those are primary belief systems that most of the women that we've worked with have, um, and they keep repeating, right? Like, People don't, I don't know if they already have that belief system of I'm not good enough, and then fertility kind of like triggers something that like makes it more intense, or if it's a new belief system that just like kind of instantaneously pops up, but my suspicion is probably A.

I have a perspective on this, and I guess we won't fully know because each person is going to be unique, right? This is why each person is unique. And in my viewpoint, you can't really, you know, fire off a gun that isn't loaded kind of thing. Right. So if you didn't have that belief already, or if you had a different belief, let's say you grew up with the belief system that you are incredible and enough and all this stuff.

And then something bad happens. Your first thought isn't, Oh, wow, there's something wrong with me. Oh, it's, Oh, wow. What's going on here. Yeah. Right. It may not be the first thought. Internalization. So I, I do think that if you already have something underneath the hood, this amplifies it. And I can only empathize cause I'm not a woman, right?

Like I don't, I'm not, I'm not birthing and I, and I can't empathize. I can't put myself in those shoes of like what that would feel like if you just got this news. So it could be both. It could be a combination of both. What I think is most beneficial is if you come into this belief system, whatever it is.

To me, it's an opportunity to pause as opposed to spinning into the trigger, right? Because by spinning into the trigger, you're actually just creating more of the noise, more of the stress, more of the chaos. But when you can pause and just take a second and recognize that you're in that trigger. Which is, you know, mindfulness is one of the first tools we teach to anyone in our communities is like, okay, when you have a piece of bad news that shows up for you, whether it's your labs and they're just not getting better, whether it's whatever it might be before you spin.

pause. Can you pause? Can you breathe? And can you recognize that your nervous system is spinning right now? And it's making an assumption about the information you just received. It doesn't mean it's actually true. That was positive. I like that. So kind of, um, not allowing the trigger to take over and just recognizing like that belief is not necessarily the truth.

It's just. What our nervous system is bringing up as a response to dealing with whatever is happening. Yeah. And you know, I like to think of these responses as little children that are just lodged away in our bodies. Right. So think of it as like this little six year old who doesn't have as much information about what's going on.

This thing happened and it's just like, Oh my God, something must be wrong with me. And that loop is just going, it's like this unconscious loop that's getting triggered. Yeah. Yeah, and so we can when we can even create that spaciousness and say okay look like yes I'm freaking out right now And how would I want to calm down this scared little six year old inside me that thinks that the world is over?

That believes that all of her dreams are crushed. That believes that nothing is fixable. Oh my God. All like that part of you is the part that we get to reparent in a lot of ways, re love, learn to hold space for because it's not that That part of you is right or wrong. It's just that part of you is having an experience.

I mean, how many times have you had moments where like you just have emotional outbreaks and you actually don't need anyone to fix you. You just need to be heard. You need to be seen. You need to let it out and then you feel better. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, what. What kind of, um, awareness or like, what, how do we build this skill set?

Cause I don't, I think that it's not a skill set that's innate, at least for our generation. I feel like so many of us just weren't taught this. They weren't, we weren't modeled this. I don't know about your parents, but my parents had no concept of this. So it's, and, and like, I see it in how I'm parenting.

Right? Like, as I parent, I'm like, okay, how can I like, slow this down for a second and like, acknowledge instead of stop throwing a tantrum. It's like, really slow down and be like, I understand that you're feeling X, Y, Z about whatever this is that is happening right now. And it's okay for you to feel that way.

And we're still doing whatever I said we're doing, but like, it's, I'm going to pause and like, have you. be acknowledged in your emotions regardless of what needs to happen. So a few, few points in that one is how do you build the awareness and the skill of awareness? Um, I'm a big fan of using wearables and trackers.

If you have the ability to have them like a CGM is a fantastic tool. Uh, you know, like anytime you have stressful, anytime you have stressful events, like you'll see a blood sugar spike, um, in a lot of ways, like, you know, cause blood sugar is tied to stress in so many ways. So just being able to monitor on a CGM and just being able to see, Oh, like, wow, I actually had a trigger.

That elevated me. That's a great place to start noticing when you're in it, right? That's the first step. First step is just being able to catch yourself when you're in it and use the cheat codes, like use the HRV monitors, use the CGMs. Those are cheat codes that exist today that you can just use, right?

The second piece is those relationships. You know, for, for me, relationships are the, at least in my life, I don't know about you or any of the people you work with, but like, you know, intimate relationships, spousal relationship usually are like the source of a lot of triggers. And so when you can catch yourself going into any level of a negative spiral of emotion, everything from annoyance to boredom, to anger, to, to, to shame, whatever it might be, and it's another person.

That's sort of triggering that can in that moment, just pause after every single time you get into any type of a trigger and argument with a loved one or somebody in your life. Can you just get into a practice of reflection? It doesn't have to happen in the moment, but just at the end of the day, ask yourself a few questions on what were the triggers that actually happened throughout your day.

And in those moments, I think it's just the practice of paying attention. I know that sounds super simple. Yeah, but if you make it a habit to reflect each day on your triggers and on the beautiful and positive things in your life Which we call glimmers, you know The glimmers are like the light of the beautiful two things to be grateful for the this moments of awe and wonder Get into the habit of tracking those two on a daily basis and over time you'll develop you won't need the CGM You'll just be like Oh, wow.

Like, yeah, that thing put me in a tailspin. I'm, or these thoughts are taking me off of this ride and you'll get a better awareness of what's happening in your whole system. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I like that. It's, it's simple enough that we could all do it. Um, it's your awareness, you know, like this is where, you know, I find for myself and my own journey and, you know, all the clients that we've worked with, it's like health care.

Yeah. And the pursuit of creation and in that in general is, you know, the greatest mirror. And so, you know, these journeys bring up a lot for us, but I, I believe, you know, from a larger 60, 000 foot spiritual level, like these challenges, these triggers we experience are all here to help us become more aware.

Right. And so shifting the frame from, okay, I have this trigger from it being like, Oh my God, my life is over to, wow, what is this here to teach me? How can I respond differently? How is this making me more emotionally resilient? Even having that type of a frame around your journey. Is only going to allow you to be more prepared as those waves happen, because you can't stop the waves from happening.

They're going to come, you know, it is what it is. We can shift the way we respond and how we surf that wave. And over time that does become the muscle of awareness. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. I, I think that. I can definitely see how this is very useful. Um, and it, it, would you say, like, is there something specific that you want to be asking yourself?

Or is it more like, kind of, a lot of people talk about journaling and I've not ever really. Been into it because I'm like, ah, just go right down to how I feel like that makes no sense. Um, but like some of the questions like in your app, some of the questions that you guys ask are unique and they have actually helped to get a deeper.

I always feel better after I write stuff in the app. Right? Like, um, there's some experience that's happening in the way that those questions are being asked. So like, are there any specific questions that people should focus on as they're doing this reflection every day? Or is it just like, start with reflection?

Yeah, so, um, you know, for anybody listening, yeah, I'm not crying. So for everybody listening, uh, mama's speaking to the, uh, the liberate app, which is something that you can get access to if you join any of our programs. Um, now the app, basically what we're teaching is in those moments, you feel those triggers.

Document it because our, our entire frame is when you pay attention to the triggers, you can start to see the trends in them. And over time, as you start to see the trends, you can start to see how to stop being triggered altogether. And that's what our, a lot of our programs are around is like, how do we just remove this fear of not being enough?

How do we just remove this worry that you'll never be somewhere? How do we completely eradicate this fear of the unknown? And replace it with faith and trust in yourself and in a higher power and whatever you believe in. And so, you know, that's a lot of the work that we're doing on top of our programs.

Now, when it comes to reflection, my eyes, it is just coming to a place of self love. Everything comes back to self love, right? So, and if we look at, we have a bad day. We received news that we don't want to receive. If we have an argument with a loved one, one, at the end of the day, can you come back to just appreciating yourself for showing up all the ways that you did?

And I say this because most people try to learn the lesson and try to find the thing without actually just giving themselves grace for being human being. And so a big part of reflection is actually giving yourself the grace of just, Hey, you had triggers. Okay. I love you. I love you Raj for, you know, You had a tough day today.

And if you hurt somebody in the process, it's like, you know, reflection is just seeing how. You played a part but forgiving yourself and then from there seeing what was this trigger trying to teach me like what was being triggered? Right because a lot of times when we get triggered about anything when I say a trigger, it's like this spike It's it's an it's a reactive response to something that doesn't feel rational in some way or sometimes it is like you got these lab Results back and you're like, oh my god, it's totally rational for me to be freaking out right now Sometimes they're not sometimes they're just like wow like You didn't do the dishes for the 15th time and I just exploded on you.

Mm hmm, right like those are both emotional reactions, but I think taking the time to sit there and be like, okay this reaction I had what's the thing beneath the thing beneath the thing? Because if I Just exploded on you for not doing the dishes It rarely is ever about the dishes. It's usually a laundry list of resentments, of feelings, of things that haven't, needs that haven't been met, boundaries that have been getting crossed over and over again.

You not feeling heard, you're not feeling appreciated. These are the feelings. And so when you actually zoom out and you ask yourself these questions, okay, like what am I actually feeling? And, and, and then from there developing that for me, the next part of reflection is having conversations with the people that triggered you.

But it's only productive to do that once you've actually done this reflection exercise of coming back and just asking yourself what was actually getting triggered and what wasn't. What boundary did they cross? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, man, so many questions from there. So if in, in relationships, You kind of said earlier that relationships, especially the spousal relationships are the ones closest to us, tend to be the biggest, like, opportunities to see our triggers.

So what What do we do in those situations? Because oftentimes it's like, you're, you had a trigger that then triggered something else that then triggered something else. So then it becomes this like mishmash of stuff. It's a whole fun little bundle of joy. Um, you know, one of the, the tips that I like to, I can give a few tips for any couples that might be listening to this or anybody who wants to have.

Tools that they can use when they're, you know, in an argument with a loved one or a triggering energy, right? Yeah, one is I like to think of, okay, like when somebody is in a trigger, instead of it being me versus you, let's make it us versus the trigger. So shifting that frame, right? So like I'm triggered because of something you did, you said, and instead of pointing it at you, Can I say, Hey, I'm experiencing a lot of this right now.

You triggered it. It's something that's happening within me and I don't know where it's coming from. Can we talk about it? This is what I'm feeling right now. And, you know, in, in a lot of our programs, we guide people through guided explorations of like trying to see, okay, like this feeling of not feeling heard.

This has been a feeling that's been showing up for me for a really long time. Like when I was 16, I had these experiences and like, you know, I think that you're just kind of triggering something that's like been this old thing stuck and, and, and so like we, we guide, you know, couples through that type of exploration in our programs.

But I think just one there is. You and me versus the trigger. Okay. I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at this trigger. Can you help me work it out? It's a difference, right? Yeah, and so in that like even in that exercise, does it take awareness for both people to Say, okay. This is the trigger Let's, um, let's work through it or is it, is it on one, like, is it on the triggered person to be aware that it's their trigger?

And like, let me, I need your help to get on board. It's a really good question and there's a lot of nuance. I do believe this is a lot easier when there's both parties that are on board. Yeah, with supporting one another in this way, because especially I can only imagine what the journey of, you know, uh, getting pregnant, like, there's a lot that comes up on both sides.

Absolutely. Right? So bringing both parties on board to recognize that, Hey, look, like we're on this team together. We both want to get pregnant. Like, I don't like, you know, so like bringing that us energy in together. I think is pretty foundational. So I would say that it does not necessarily require, I think one partner can inspire awareness in the other by being vulnerable, right?

Like there've been a lot of times in my partners, uh, in my relationships where I've been the first one to wave the white flag. And that has led to a lot of. Beautiful experiences and and connection and so I can't say what's right or wrong for each couple. Each couple would have to do their own exploration.

But just coming back to and, and the second point of like, it's you and me versus this trigger, but just remember this trigger. If you look at it like it's a 4-year-old having this big experience. . Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's not this adult partner that you love. Yeah. This adult partner that you love does not want to feel triggered right now, , he or he.

Probably wants to feel happy, joyous, trusting, ecstatic, positive, inspired, loving. They probably want to feel that way. So when you can anchor into that is how they actually want to feel. This trigger is this four year old child that's just freaking out right now. That allows you and beautiful. I'm having this awareness right now, like beautiful on the journey of fertility.

How beautiful could it be if both partners could actually learn to hold space for a child? Yeah. Cause they're going to do it in real time, really soon in real time and real soon. So it's like, get the practice of holding that loving space for your own little four year olds. In the same way that you would hold space for your future four year old.

So that's kind of how we teach. Cool. So that was tip number one. Is there more? Kind of layered in like six in there. I know you did. What was the question again? Yeah, yeah, um, so if it was, um, you, instead of you against your partner, it's you both against the trigger. That's tip number one. What are there other things, other tools that couples could use to navigate this, um, journey, which ends up bringing up a lot of stuff interpersonally.

Yeah. Um, well, I think the other tip of just recognizing the four year old in your, in your partners, you know, that's a big one. That's one that I think has changed my life in many ways. Um, and, and I think the combination of that, like if I think of other tools, like You know, knowing your own, like how you regulate stress is really important.

Um, each person is going to regulate stress in a different way. And so doing the work together to understand each other's. Stress regulations and doing the work to understand each other's core emotional wounds. Like for me, like my, my deepest core emotional wound from childhood is rejection. And when I get into conversations with others, if I hear my partners raise their voice, I shut down.

I can't even hear what they have to say because it's just like, I go into this state of like, uh, it's not safe. I can't open up. So when I communicate with my partner, okay, like, look, like, this is how that makes me feel. And my partner takes note of it. Now, the next time we're in conflict, she doesn't raise her voice.

She communicates to my scared little child in the same way that she would want me to communicate to her scared little child. So I think the third tip would be get to know each other's scared little children, get to know them. And the way you get to know them is by recognizing that when you're in conflict, the goal is not to be right, the goal is not to win the argument, the goal is to help each other feel safe.

Because when you feel safe, you naturally come back to a state of love. And, and so, that's I guess another tip is, don't try to win the argument in the moment. Establish connection, breathe together. And that's probably the last thing you want to do. And to me, like getting words out of the question and just breathing, syncing up your breathing together is one of the most powerful tools that I found in my own journey.

And a lot of the couples that we've seen and supported, like that's just getting into a rhythm of regulating even for 30 minutes, just for 30 seconds, not 30 minutes, 30 seconds. I was like, Oh, a lot of meditation here. 30 seconds, even if it's just 30 seconds, just breathe together. And then come back and to me, like doing an integrating practices like that, like, I wish I could just give you like a tool, like, like the magic pill, it's going to solve everything, but that's not how it works.

Yeah, it's, I mean, it sounds like practicing, right? Like we, again, we don't have the skill sets, tools built in. So when things come up that are challenging, um, it's really important that the partners Like come to the table with like, okay, we're going to like do this practice for a while and see how we feel totally.

That's it. And it's, and it's not comparing yourself to anyone else outside of you. Everybody's journey is going to be unique. And so this is truly like a you versus you kind of thing. Journey and really looking at like, all right, like how can I create a home that is most conducive for the health journey?

The the end results that I desire right like I need my partner to become pregnant You know, it's like we need each other to do this. So How can we co create that environment together? And I think if that's the north star, how do we co create this environment together? It kind of allows then all the triggers like it's like there's some like all the tools that I mentioned here Plus any of the programs or offers that we have like everything then comes after that but like the goal still has to be You are co creating this experience together and we are caring for each other's nervous systems, um, just as much as we would our own.

Sure. Yeah. So is there, like, how much does past trauma in that particular relationship Pop up as like, cause I find that a lot of times people are already like, by the time they come to work with us, they've already been struggling with fertility for a while. They already have whatever, like, relation, relationship dynamics and fertility is interesting because in one way, it will bring out the, the desire for co creation, which I think is really powerful.

It's going to be a heightened, um, possibility that if that co creation doesn't happen or it doesn't happen quickly enough, one partner checks out. Um, so I guess all that to say, like, there it's, it's, it's a complex, um, playground that we're on. Um, but in that place, how much is the old stuff coming in and kind of overwhelming the, the nervous system?

I mean, this is such a complex question, um, and it truly is unique for every single human being. I cannot Overstate that because it is like, you know, trauma is incredibly complex and we're still beginning to understand the implications of childhood trauma, right? Like, you know, I, in our eyes, like, as children, as we experience any level of emotional neglect, physical abuse, whatever it might be, like, they all create imprints in our neurology and our nervous system that then contribute to chronic stress, right?

So think of it as like, you have this computer and you've got a. bunch of programs and tabs up that aren't even being used, but they're just taking up space. Sure. So that's how I like to think about like all these different little t traumas and big t traumas and all the things that might be just stored in our unconscious minds.

So what I do know to be true is if a patient comes in ahead of time, And they have all these stressors, like there could be a lot of roots to the stressors, right? Like there could be, there could be the childhood traumas that are computing to the stressors. There could be just the overall fatigue of the fertility journey.

That's contributing to the stress. Like, I don't want to take away from the trauma of what's happening today too. Yeah. Right. Like it's all traumatic. Everything is contributing. Now, when I think about resilience and how do we bring resilience back up, right, like it doesn't matter if you have a big T trauma from childhood, if you have a minor stack of annoyances, challenges, frustrations with your health journey, your fertility journey, or if there's like a big life accident that's happening today.

All of those are rattling the same nervous system. And so when we design precision emotional healing programs, and when we make recommendations, we're always looking at doing like a full blown assessment and a diagnostic, if you would, of like, okay, like, what is the person's childhood like? What has this person's journey with fertility, cancer, autoimmune, the last year, what does that look like?

Like, we're actually looking at the chronology of events to actually get an assessment of, okay, with all of these different events that have been happening in your life, how has your nervous system responded? What is the story that your nervous system is telling you as a result of this experience? As a result of your childhood experiences, are there similarities, right?

If you were, if you were looking at a childhood adversity through the same lens of like, Oh, wow. Yeah. This meant that I'm not enough. And now you have this fertility challenge and your nervous system is responding the same way. We know that, okay, this is a deeper root that happened much earlier in life.

Right. But if we do a diagnostic and we realize, okay, like we're an emotional lab report, that's really our, our kind of like, what's what we run. Like we run an emotional lab report if you didn't have any of those beliefs then, but then all of a sudden today you have all these different things that are showing up for you.

That's then we know. Okay, great. In that moment, your challenges are right now. And then we design programs to help you remember how amazing, how strong, how incredible your body is and ship that story. So that you can come back to remembering just the amazing, resilient, powerful human being that you are.

So it just depends on the person's journey. We see ranges of all of it, where, like, you know, we do a lot of work in cancer, like, you know, cancer patients, like, they come in, all of a sudden, the diagnosis rocks their nervous system. And now, all of a sudden, they're having all these experiences that they weren't having before.

So then we address that. But then there are patients that come in and, you know, All of a sudden, one day they got cancer and then when we do the diagnostic, it's like, oh wow, no, these have been patterns that have been showing up your entire life. This stressful last event is what triggered your body into a state of disease.

And so, so we, we, we see everything across the board. Amazing. Amazing. Well, I feel like I can talk to you for hours. Um, so we will definitely have you back. There's more to be talked about here. Um, but in terms of like, where can people connect with you? Yeah, you can just head to liberate. health, that is l i b e r 8.

health, and you can look at our emotional lab reports, which are kind of like our front end kind of diagnostic, it's not really a diagnostic, but we do basically like an assessment to really get clear on what's happening in your nervous system, and then we pair you up with Tools and a plan and resources to really start working on your emotional health in a precision way And then we also have programs So, you know we run three month programs where we support you and actually building that resilience and really getting to a place of Feeling that power feeling faith feeling trust and not just it being like a one time fix that you would get by going to a therapist It's like no like how do you just become?

More grounded, resilient, trusting, confident, empowered. And so we have three month programs that support that. So you can just go to liberate. health and then I'm on social media. You can follow me at Raj underscore Jana on Instagram. That's mostly where I'm active. Awesome. Well, thank you for being with us today.

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